
Do you want some hips and thighs with that burger?
Fast food restaurants don’t advertise the number of calories, fat or cholesterol that is in their food. They don’t tell you if you “Have it your way” you may gain ten pounds and not fit in your bathing suit come summer. Instead, they attempt to sell you on an experience and they take advantage of your hunger and desires to draw you into their establishment.
Another and possibly better example is the endless adds for Credit Cards that give you 0% interest for some period of time and tell you that you deserve to buy anything your heart desires and when you charge up a high balance start to charge you 20-30% interest. Then you are trapped because you gave into the advertisement, and now you are in debt and the debt is growing because of the compounding interest. Sure you did this of your own free will, but if consumers were given the whole truth up front, do you think as many would fall into the trap?
This is how it is with falling prey to a dangerous coercive control group (or cult). They entice you with a false outward appearance (1). They are selling an experience. This is why they will say, “Come visit us” or “Stay with us” verses talking to you about their beliefs and practices. Sure they will offer a superficial belief statement such as “We believe God is waiting for a people with one heart and one way who live together and love each other and have everything in common. Come visit us and you will see”. So what makes them different from any communal group that says the same thing? They won’t tell you up front. You won’t know until you visit them, and stay with them a while.
. And that is when they start the process of what is known as cognitive dissonance by those who study Coercive and Controlling Groups such as the TT. This is where a person is purposely manipulated starting with controlling their environment. This is why they want you to “come”. While you are “there” they start playing with your emotions and controlling the information you can access that may provide an alternate perspective. There is a reason the TT brings a bus to deadhead concerts, it is a “mini-utopia” a place where prospective recruits can “experience” a taste of how they live. But even if you do decide to live with them for a couple weeks or a month, they don’t share their inner doctrines with you. They also don’t lock you in a room and keep you prisoner. You are free to go at anytime. This will cause you to believe that all the stories of “bondage” and “mind-control” are false. Their goal is to get followers who are willing to give up everything and make a commitment to submit to their authority. They really don’t want forced prisoners who want to break away any chance they get.
How can they convince you to want to submit to their authority and give up your free will? They start by telling you that everything you have learned and heard outside is from the “evil one” and you need to “clear your mind”. Simultaneously, they “love-bomb” you and give you a taste of utopia to get you in the right state of mind so you can “receive” their message. You start to think, “How can such sincere loving people be wrong”? They seem so happy and satisfied and all their needs are met. But unfortunately, you are only given the veneer of the real truth. In reality, most of the followers are dog-tired and struggle to stay faithful. They are worked 80-90 hours a week and don’t really have the time to live this utopian life and love-on their kids the way they say they do. In fact many of the accusations and condemnations they make of the outside “world” and “Christianity” specifically, are true of them. (see the comparison of fruit in the Parable of the Twig article). So it is not until you come to a point where you are willing to “die to yourself” and “give everything” to follow “Yahshuah” do you start to get a glimpse of the truth. And like the poor credit card holder, it is only after you have quit your job or dropped out of college, left your family and sometimes that means husbands/wives and children, told them they are all going to hell unless they follow you, turned over your vehicle and bank accounts and have no means of providing for yourself that you are given access to the “pearls” or inner teachings. Of course this is after you are baptized where you are required to denounce your former beliefs (Christianity or other religion/philosophies) and make a vow to “never leave” the body.
This is when you hear that Yoneq is the “anointed” and has a direct line to God and his teachings and words are equivalent to God speaking (2) and therefore are to be followed without question. You learn that he is the Elijah that has come back to earth to call people out of the world (3). That Christianity, (which is their main target for recruitment) was an apostate church that has not had the Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha Kodesh) for over 1900 years (4). That you are not allowed to think or “reason” for yourself about anything outside of the teachings and direction of Yoneq and his band of elders (5). And unless you beat your children until their wounds are blue, you are not being a loving father or mother in fact you hate your children. (6) And if you are a good little follower and submit all your loyalty to Yoneq’s teaching, you will one day be a God of your own Universe or Galaxy (7). And these are just a sample of the bizarre teachings that you will be expected to believe and submit to without question.
And what if you choose not to submit? And what if you want to ask a question? Then you are free to leave. In fact you are encouraged to leave and sometimes just plain asked to get out. The only problem is, you have already alienated your family and friends, you have no money and you own no vehicle and even the clothes on your back are not yours they belong to the community. If they are feeling generous, they will give you $200 to “get by”, but ultimately you are “cut-off”. (8)
So I ask you, if the Twelve Tribes put a poster up in front of the Mate Factor stating these beliefs, do you think people would want to give them their money? How about bring their kids and stay for a couple weeks? So what would constitute honest full disclosure/advertising and recruiting for the Twelve Tribes?
“Welcome, please spend as much money as you can with us because we need to ensure our Prophet has enough money to expand our real estate holdings and fly around the world starting other communities where people like me can nearly starve and raise our children and beat them until they are black and blue. You are welcome to move in with us as long as you denounce all other religious loyalties and promise you will never leave, and be willing to submit unquestionably to our elders and supreme leader who is in fact the only conduit to God. Please leave your brain outside as you are no longer allowed to think for yourself because our elders will think for you. But please bring your money, real estate, stocks and bonds and everything else with you so we can liquidate these and give the proceeds to our Apostle to spend as he sees fit. And we want you to have it your way so if your wife or husband does not want to join you/us, that’s ok. Abandon them because our Prophet Elijah says they are going to burn in the Lake of Fire anyway. Oh, and we have a no-money back guarantee. If you do choose to leave us, or we decide with little or no notice to kick you out, you will not get your money or any of your belongings back and you will drop dead because God will kill you. Have a nice day”
Voice.
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(1) TT (Yoneq/Spriggs) Teachings concerning being “perfect” for outsiders and withholding the truth or outright lying in order to “make a stand”:
“The only thing we have to be perfect in now is confessing our sins and speaking to people on the outside. Or your conscience will haunt you night and day.” September 2 1990 Apostolic Workers Meeting Minutes.
“There is a difference between bearing false witness and concealing a matter (not telling the truth) that others have forfeited their right to know because of their hostile and evil attitude toward God.” November 29 1988 Phase 2 Teaching – Yoneq page 1
“Sometimes we make a stand with the truth by not revealing the truth or by our answers that are or are not true.” Nov 29 1988 Phase 2 Teaching – Yoneq page 1
(2) Teachings that demonstrate Yoneq/Spriggs speaks for God. In the quote below, understand the only one who the TT considers to have “delegated authority” from God is Yoneq/Spriggs so what he in fact is saying is to obey himself without argument as you would obey God.
"All who know God and know authority will obey his word, will obey Him, will obey His delegated authority without argument." Acts 3:23 - If we do not obey every word he speaks to us we will be cut off. November 18, 1990 Reasoning – Page 4
(3) Quotes concerning Yoneq/Spriggs being in fact the Elijah and having God’s authority.
Note, the following quote is regarding a woman who died of cancer who was a long time member of the TT. They could not explain her untimely death without finding some fault in her life or un-confessed sin. She was accused of speaking ill of Yoneq once years before and therefore rejecting God’s authority and not “receiving” Elijah.
“No way if Mary disrespected God's authority could faith come to heal her - Numbers 12 No way her children could be saved Malachi 4:5 If (you)don't receive Elijah (you)don't receive(the) anointing (your)children will be accursed - no hope.” September 2, 1990 Apostolic Workers Meeting – Page 5
Here is another quote concerning Elijah being in the midst of the TT. They are referring to Yoneq and the spirit that he has brought to the TT.
“Keli told us we can know the spirit of Elijah is in our midst because of how we are continually brought back to the necessity of turning our heart to our children.” August 6, 1996 Apostolic Workers Meeting – Page 3
(4) Quotes concerning there being no true church for the last 1900 years:
“Everything has been in abeyance for at least 1900 years — put off for a future generation to fulfill. Abeyance — put off, it’s no longer in existence. 1 Pet 2:9 is no longer in existence. There is no people of God; there is no holy nation; there is no twelve-tribed nation; there has been no one keeping the way of YHWH for 1900 years — it has been in abeyance.” April 9, 1995 The Fall of the First Church – Page 3
“Therefore the evil one been a ruler for 1900 years. They crucified the very Son of God — YHWH in the flesh. They killed Him! It proves who is in control of the world — Satan rules the whole world.” April 9, 1995 The Fall of the First Church – Page
(5) TT Teaching concerning peoples right to “reason” or think for themselves vs submitting to authority
“Many people are enslaved by a spirit of reason. They will only come when they are called and go where they are sent when it seems right to them. They always want to know a reason. If they are under this bondage of reasoning, sooner or later slanderous words will come out of their mouth against authority and there will be no possibility of escape from death.” November 18, 1990 Reasoning
(6) TT Teachings concerning beating children until they bleed:
“Underdiscipline accomplishes nothing. It is better not to discipline our children at all — “The blueness of the wound drives away all evil.”” October 1980 Child Training -Notes from Teachers Meeting - Page 5
“Unless your son has blue wounds, by this standard, you know what kind of a
standard is in you — it is the spirit that hates your son. If one is overly concerned about his son receiving blue marks you know that he hates his son and hates the word of God.” No date – Execution of Justice – Page 1
(7) TT Quotes concerning being “cut-off” due to not submitting to authority or the teachings of Yoneq. A member can be “”cut-off” within the community and not allowed to participate in social activity or be asked to leave.
“What do we have that' s greater than our attachment (staying connected) to our Master, Yahshua, and His people? Do we think that we can put aside our life for awhile and leave the Community and go out and do other things and then come back?” May 19 1994 The Seriousness of Being Cut-Off from Messiah – Page 5
“In the nations if you join the army and go to battle and desert the battle you could be imprisoned or even killed. (A deserter is worthy of death - if he falls into the hands of the enemy he will betray you.) It's a serious thing to be in a battle and desert your troop. You have to see that we're in a war here. This is our Father's army and you can't so easily come back. We made a pledge at baptism not to leave.” May 19 1994 The Seriousness of Being Cut-Off from Messiah – Page 3
(8) TT (Yoneq/Spriggs) Quotes concerning followers becoming gods of their own galaxy:
"We are going to be holy people. Holy, set apart by the Holy Spirit to accomplish His will. The day will come when each one of you has a galaxy to rule over." [source: "The Three Eternal Destinies #74 - Three Categories of Man 5" November 19, 1996. Morning Minchah, Reuben. Teaching identifier: 961119A]
"Rev 1:6; 5:10 — He has made us to be kings and priests — that’s who we are! We will rule over galaxies. When people of the nations see us, it will be just like seeing the Father (Jn 14:9). We will bear His name, His character, His image, His authority." [source: "Salvation is a Free Gift (But Who Does He Give It To?)" December 1997. Coxsackie, NY. Teaching identifier: 9712T08]
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For my German Speaking Visitors
Follow this link to review a presentation made by Leipzig student Florian Böhnhardt.
Boehnhardt Zwoelf Staemme 2007
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For my French Speaking Visitors
Interesting news article concerning the Sus House (castle) and controversy in France with the Twelve Tribes.
Entre bric à brac et vie de château, les drôles d'apôtres de l'Ordre Apostolique... (Tabitha's Place)
Click on the following link to get a wealth of information from an Anti-Cult Site in France
http://www.prevensectes.com/tabitha.htm
News Reel-1 on Tabitha's Place
News Reel-2 on Tabitha's Place
Entre bric à brac et vie de château, les drôles d'apôtres de l'Ordre Apostolique... (Tabitha's Place)
Click on the following link to get a wealth of information from an Anti-Cult Site in France
http://www.prevensectes.com/tabitha.htm
News Reel-1 on Tabitha's Place
News Reel-2 on Tabitha's Place
Place a checkmark beside all items that characterize the group in question. If you check many of these items, and particularly if you check most of them, you might consider examining the group more closely.
The above check list comes from Dr. Michael Langone, editor of Cultic Studies Journal, and often characterize manipulative groups. Dr. Langone suggest prospective recruits and family members compare these statements to the group. If one or more of these apply to your group you may have a cause for concern. I say, if all apply as in the case of the Twelve Tribes, you should repent (turn 180 degrees) and run.




41 comments:
awful strange coming from somebody who describes this as a "love bomb". what does that say about the author?
sorry, i meant advertises not describes, i must be tied of reading all this slander!
Panterus - given all your recent activity it appears to me that you are the one who enjoys slander. You are quite defensive of the TT. You don't have much content or substance to your posts. You appear to be just another TT propaganda pusher.
the subtance is ther you just need to look for it. as far as slander goes are you saying that a slanderer a slanderer is slander! my intention is to point out what i see, isn't that what a blog spot is for, to speak your opinion on agiven subject? are you the same bill that was defending the community in the article on the money machine? if you need to find more substance than that what subject would you like to discuss?
Panterus: I am the same Bill who posted on that article. However, I was not defending the TT. I was stating the issue could easily be resolved if the TT was more forthcoming with their financial information like most charitable organizations are. You would think, being who they claim to be, they would want to set a higher standard than all the "heretics" they criticize. I have to admit, I was hopeful they would do just that, but there has been no response and to the best of my knowledge have not made this information public.
I guess the community isn't a charity and anyways asking them to reveal all of their finances is kinda like sticking a flashlight up someone rear, don't ya think? what is on the table is that they love one another enough that they don't worry about what they're not getting and concentrate on loving one another enough that they don't about what they're not getting...etc...etc...etc!
Shouldnt the TT be a charity? What did Yahshua say about that? And what about "true religion"? They only take care of their work force!
And if they aren't a charity then why do they claim tax exemption? According to the law of the land, if you claim this exemption, your finances are public information!
They try to love one another, but that's as far as it goes. If you don't embrace their theology, then your damned to hell...
first off they are not tax exempt are they? they file taxes every year at all the communities around the world. secondly if they are so poor as you say, not being able to take care of their childrens teeth and all, then where should all the charity come from. the only charity in the twelve tribes is from the hearts of the volunteers that live there and the people who choose to support them from outside the community. now there is some "truth' in your "advertising"!
They file under a 501 d exemption!
Secondly, they are NOT poor! They make millions but it doesnt find it's way to the proletariate. It is spent on expansion!
The "Truth" is the "hearts" of the "volunteers" (poor description) is the only thing the "volunteers" can give because they are given nothing(finances) to work with!
I have respect for those who "give up their lives" to the cause but have nothing but contempt for those who "choose to support them" from the outside! Your half assed! Luke warm!
if you want the whole ass, here it is. I have lived and worked in the communities on and off for the last ten years. I have seen that they do make a fair amount of money. I have also seen that not every last need is always fulfilled when you expect it, but I have seen the needs fulfilled when possible. It cost a lot of money to get everyone's teeth worked on, you know. it costs even more, however to sustain a competent business. Again, and one would hope for the last time, the people in the community choose to overlook their own personal needs for the overall needs of the community, which in retrospect is more important, for that is what will eventually provide their personal needs. I can tell you from observation and experience that the people are in the community are well fed and healthier than the average person outside the community. I have seen no limit to the decent clothing and bedding provided, people may have their circumstances, but overall they are significantly better off than most. If you really think they are suffering greatly, ask them, and look in their faces when you do! Honestly, I don't know too many people that can afford mostly organic groceries on a daily basis and in good proportion, as well. I think that those volunteers are very happy with the produce of their labors, heck, when you have all the clothes, food, friendship, love, support, and entertainment you need, why even think about money! In fact, most of them are satisfied to be without bills and payments and credit cards and all the frivolous things of the world. Most people might even see that as freedom not slavery, but it is those who seek after money and power and objects to fill their souls with that stand out in a community that seeks to rid themselves of these things, and it is obvious to them when they see such a person and sometimes they ask the to leave and seek those things elsewhere, other times the wiser of those types of people leave on their own because they can see that they are in the wrong house!
"panterus said...
if you want the whole ass, here it is. I have lived and worked in the communities on and off for the last ten years."
Since when does the TwelveTribes allow anyone to live and work "off and on" in their group? Were you a baptized member? Or just a local hanging out at their cafes? Once again someone without a clue to how the TwelveTribes really operates feels the need to defend them because they "seem like such nice people".
They're not. They have no problem dumping people off on street corners without a dime after they've used them up. Or tossing entire families out with no assistance or remorse for the hardship they cause. Yes, literally on the streets.
They are a religious organization that operates like any other organization. Your either in the loop and enjoy the benefits or your part of the masses to be used and manipulated at will for the benefit of the few.
They conceal most of what they really believe from the public and work hard to maintain an image that nothing to do with the real life inside.
Besides, according to their beliefs your going to the lake of fire, so why are you bothering to defend them in the first place?
Do you realize that they self admittedly do not have the final judgment call they leave that to our Father. They judge situations to their greatest capacity, and in some cases rather severely depending on what they can see in a man, but the final judgment is still from our Father. If you don't have a bad conscience why worry so much? I can understand being threatened by a judgment call from the community because they are fairly just, but if your conscience is clean it is not and end all to life. Most of the time people are asked to leave more from the backlashing of a judgment than the actual judgment itself, I'm sure you have seen that happen before. Our response to such judgments can be a reflection of why the judgment was made in the first place, even I can understand that, even though I've had some fairly strange judgments put on me! Our Father judges our hearts in deeper capacity than any human can, if the conscience is clear there generally won't be any backlashing, but if there is and the conscience is still clear it is a sign that the person was probably not ready to deal with that situation, now that is an example of the judgment our Father can bring verses what a human can see. Sometimes people can judge quickly based on what they can see and backlashing can just encourage them to continue and to make things worse for the person that isn't receiving regardless of the reality of the situation. That has happened to me more times than I can count and in most cases it was because I was not ready to deal with it, although I may have been right about the situation itself. I have been learning to take such strong judgments in stride and not react to them, because I realize that these people in our Father's house are not perfect, although they are striving to be, and in some cases I even realize that I may have had a fault in situation where I was judged, even when I didn't have a bad conscience about it and I realized I just needed to change. I have been treated harshly over the ten years I've been around the community, but I still have forgiveness for those who treated me this way, even when they were wrong. Humans are limited in their capacity to judge because of their localized viewpoint of situations, and if I can see that and see that my conscience is clear or even if I need to change, then I can forgive that person or persons and try again to do what is right in my conscience and that means loving my brothers whom I gave my life to. I've backpacked from one side of the country to the other looking for answers to these judgments and without a dime to my name, found a way for the sake of a good conscience and for the love of those that I call friends.
"They self admittedly do not have the final judgment call they leave that to our Father"
Bullcrap! For one thing, tell that to the man they just "sent away" with no money, credit, work history or family or friends to take him, his wife and 5 children in! Oh that will make him feel much better!
So when they tell you that if you break the covenant with them you are going to the lake of fire they really don't mean it?
What about when person dies in the Tribes and they "judge" the death and tell everyone that the person died due to their sins and they are going to the first death and are not with Yahshua? Are they just guessing?
Im so happy for you that you have found your perfect dominatrix to administer your penance when you feel you need it, and just leave if it's to much for you or give them your precious forgiveness when you judge they are wrong in their judgment of you!
Your just as sick and deluded as they are and you deserve each other....
Yeah, your a tough guy and can handle all their shortcomings but you wouldn't be so tough if you had a family to support instead of being a single vagabond who can live out of a ruck sack...
Panterus you need to start thinking for yourself and get all their mumbo jumbo out of your head.
They lay claim to having the Holy Spirit. That means bearing the fruit of the Spirit. It's not complicated.
If you say you have the Holy Spirit and then dismiss all the bad stuff with "well, we're only human" what does that say about the Holy Spirit your claiming to represent?
Get all their mental mumbo jumbo out of your head and take a real look at what they are.
A good tree doesn't bear bad fruit, or come up with a thousand excuses for bearing bad fruit. That's a bad tree.
their judgment may be a bit off at times, but they are fairly clear and accurate with most things, far more than the judgments i've seen on this website, that sound more like the gnashing of teeth than sound judgment. calling with slander and derogatory remarks is a sign of the real sickness that lies within, like i was saying they judge that many times even when that is not what is on the surface yet, like it is obviously surfacing on this site due to their judgments of other matters. It just really shows where a persons heart is at.
If people have had experiences, such as being "dropped-off" without a nickle to their names, this is indeed sad. The possibility of this happening should be known as people decide whether or not they want to accept what goes along with giving up everything for what they deem to be the "pearl of great price". Beyond that I have to say that I don't understand where the steady stream of animosity toward the Twelve Tribes is really coming from. I am not a member, but someone in my family is. She is a brilliant and talented young woman who could have chosen any path in life, and has never been prone to making irrational decisions. She has been a member for 3 years now and could not be happier. I talk with her on a regular basis and have visited numerous times - staying up to a week at a time. She knows that she always has a place to go should she decide to walk away - as many members do who have family outside the Community - but she is at peace and happy. (By the way, she has also been able to spend weekends with family outside of the Community.) She has a husband and daughter, so I am quite familiar with minute aspects of their day-to-day lives, such as child training. I am bewildered that with all the real problems in the world that need to be resolved, so much time and energy goes into propagating all of this negativity against a group of people who really are kind and loving. Is it possible there may be some in the TT who are not living "saints" - I suppose so. I have yet to meet a perfect human being. As a matter of fact, many -if not most, of the Biblical patriarchs had serious flaws. That being said, having been a very religous person my entire life, I have never met a group of people who lived out their faith with such joy and diligence. Besides, have you looked around at the state of the world? Have you watched television? Have you seen any of those horrendous virtual killing sprees they call "games"? Sarcasm and catchy abbreviations have become the method of communication for most kids. Heartthrobs OD on anti-anxiety meds, and teen pop-chart queens pose partially nude for magazines. So, there is a group of people who have rejected this world and all the garbage that goes along with it. So, sometimes people become members who may not have fully grasped what the life would cost them. Aren't there more heinous things happening out there to critique? Hmmmm...what about Middle Eastern kids getting limbs blown off by land mines? What about what's happening in Darfur? What about all the children around the world who once again went to bed on an empty stomach? What about young girls and boys who run away from abusive alcoholic parents and end up selling their bodies on the street? The people in the Twelve Tribes are safe, they are clothed, they have enough to eat, they are surrounded by people who love them, they are living for a purpose larger than simply feeding the senses or gratifying desires or keeping up with the Joneses. If there are bad experiences out there, by all means share them. Tell the facts, and your side of the story - because remember, it will just be your side of it...and (in keeping with your truth in advertising theme)"let the buyer beware". Spare us the venom. Hopefully I will not be attacked for sharing my views on this matter. Please be kind, I wish you nothing but peace. Let us live, and let live.
paxvox62... Thanks for your well thought out and sincere post. I receive it and welcome you here...
I worked with "Voice" as a adviser and tried to help him keep his emotions and bitterness from creeping into his articles and comments as I tried to do the same with myself. Unchecked emotions can destroy the credibility of facts and skew the readers opinion of what is trying to be conveyed.
Yes there will always be better and worse scenarios happening in the world no matter what you are addressing. And I sincerely doubt any of the worlds problems will be solved here but this place "YATTT" is a place to address the specifics of one of the problems.
It is a "sounding board" of sorts where people can share their experiences with the Tribes, inside and out. And also a place where they might find someone that knows and has experienced the same things. There is nothing more healing then getting validation, a "witness" if you will, to their story and receive empathy and a "I feel ya!" from their peers.
Yes there are people here who have good things to say about the Tribes and rightly so because yes there are loving and caring people in the Tribes and they have many wholesome attributes and live lives of servitude BUT! As in all groups there are injustices and double standards but the problem with the Tribes is that they do not admit these nor repent and try and make amends. Their pride is destroying them.
If they would only drop their false humility, confess their pride of being "better" then others and being the "only ones", admit their "humanness" and truly love, care and live for each other the healing they so desperately need will begin...
( I wont even go into the cover-ups of sexual sins or the harboring of sexual predators or sending them out into the world without pressing charges or alerting worldly authorities of their whereabouts...)
If they don't, their numbers will continue to diminish. Yes I see they are slowly falling apart and definitely not increasing. They have hovered around 3,000 members for 30 years and that number falling. They must have had tens of thousands come and go. Some for a year, some for 30! In the past few years they have lost many "Elders", Shepherds and even industry heads that had been there for decades. Also many youths, many young married couples and many "children of Elders"!
So yes, live and let live but when you have surrendered, given all and have been hurt, including their children, by those who are suppose to be authorized by "God" and are caring for your mortal body and your eternal soul, then don't chastise those who feel compelled to warn others who are drawn to the Tribes and say "BEWARE! BAD DOG!"
But remember paxvox, we are glad you are here! Please forgive us but we are all out of milky mate' and cookies" LOL!
HOW TO DESTROY THE BODY:
We are pretty much aware of the destructive influences from without, but we need to be careful that the enemy does not destroy from within. The greatest fear should be the allowance of emotions to persevere in our decisions rather than the diciplines we need to maintain, according to principle. We may have a tendency to feel that we should be accorded privileges for ourselves because, perhaps, of our physical working abilities or length of time, seniority, in the body. We may think that because of this the children of those of the aforementioned deserve priority considerations as far as placements of responsibility and, or, authority. In carrying on in this way we are most prone to create a spirit of covetedness in ourselves and our children; a spirit of dominance rather than a spirit of service.
Nepotism or cronyism has no place in our Father's Body. All positions need to be based on the evidence of those bearing the true fruits of the spirit no matter when they came into the Body. We do a great harm letting others believe that they will be elevated due to certain positions of responsibility because of familial connections or because of their longevity in the Body, or, just because they have, or came in with certain skills. For any member of the Body to harbor this mindset is to harbor a spirit that threatens the whole of Yahshua's concept of the common life and brings in the worldly concept of power and privilege of "for me and mine first". This is contrary to a life based on the evidence of "the fruits of the Spirit" that we are to consider in placing our members, and rather fosters the competitive and covetive spirit of the world, which is in reality, the dividing spirit of the evil one. In our fears of losing our children to the world we should not and can not let them think that they will be chosen above others because of their relationship to us, and we can't place them in positions of privelege and responsibility in place of others that should be, in order to cause them to stay in the Body. They would be staying for the wrong reasons. If our children or others leave and see the real evil in the world, then they will come to their senses and come back if they were raised, and/or, nutured in love and not harshness.
To have a system that mirrors the worlds, as far as promotion and privilege is concerned, creates a class system, or a clergy/laity spirit. This will be recognized by many and the Body that should have been growing by the Spirit's principles, rather than worldly emotions and methods, will become stagnant. This is the same Nicolaitan spirit that stole the "first love" of the Body that Yahshua began. The lower class will become a system of those coming and going because they will come to the realization that the common life concept that they had hoped for was just that, a concept, a theory, but not the practice. They would see a system in which a selfish spirit of nepotism and cronyism reigns and not a system wisely maintained by Yahshua's Spirit. Those that stay will stay because they fear the lake of fire, not because of the evidence of the true Spirit of love that once was their hope in being drawn. The evil one knows that this will destroy the Body and common sense will tell you that this type of system needs to be avoided. The system of the world is not Yahshua's Body. This system is not of faith. It is the method of the world mixed with the hypocracy of claiming to be Yahshua's Body. "The beast" by any other name is still "the beast". It doesn't have to be that way, but it will if you allow it. We need to pay serious attention to 1Cor.12: 12-26. and Acts 6:3
Wow! This sounds just like a TT teaching! And if it is, they should pay more heed to it because that's exactly what has been transpiring for the past 30 years in the Tribes!
The clergy/laity system!
Every facet you mentioned is a perfect description of how the Tribes function.
And just to add to one of your points; If any of their children/youth leave, they are not drawn back with love and the promise of love but just the opposite. They are chastized and pressured with guilt and fear. They are not "loved" back in but are frightened into returning.
I have heard from some TT apologists and current members point out and actually wag their fingers and say "SEE? Look at the youths that have left and what they do in the World! They go crazy and become drunks, drug addicts and concupiscent bums!"
But what I see are young men and women who are taking back what was stolen from them! Their right to have experienced a childhood and a right of passage from that childhood to adulthood.
Who here hasn't gone nuts in their younger years, while their hormones "rage", and experimented with what the world had to offer? Some of us were over-imbibers and made damn sure we tried EVERYTHING!
But there came a time when those things lost their appeal, played out their part, and we moved on to the cornucopia of choices and paths that the Universe opened up to us and went "walk about".
I just pray the wonderful young men and women who left or were eschewed by the tribes come to a point and time in their new found lives where they heal from the damage left by their incarceration in the tribes.
Also I hope they shed the bitterness,(which was actually helpful at one point and something we all experienced)forgive their captors, and move on to the endless possibilities of life that await them...
I decided not to return to the Twelve Tribes, even though I have been visiting as a former member and like the people and culture in many ways.
One of my good friends and a Tribes shepherd said that I "have been touched by Satan" because of various criticism I have read about the Tribes and testimonies of former members.
Another newer member had bad things to say about my 15 year old son who is shy and doesn't like the communities that much. In every community there's usually one jerk with a fried brain..
Make no mistake about this: they truly believe black people should still be servants to white people IF they have not joined the Tribes.
Black people within the Tribes are very loved and equal, but are not to show the disrespect and arrogance of their ancient ancestor Cham, one of Noah's sons.
The Tribes clearly taught me when I was a member that it was a good thing that Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. were killed.
This is what is really disturbing about the Tribes, you have really nice people, mostly, and a wonderful culture in many ways, but then thrown into the mix are some really messed-up teachings, definite racism applying to Jews and blacks OUTSIDE the Tribes, hitting children with thin rods as young as six months and by any adult member (which further opens the door to potential sexual abuses, which, Yes, have occurred.) The Tribes wants children safe to be sure, but communal living and members hitting other people's children in private make abuse easier to occur. When really bad things do happen and are exposed, the police are rarely called. The Tribes has been a sad confusing chapter of my life that's hard to forget in positive and negative ways. I wish Tribes members the best, I like most of them very much. I know by writing this and other statements, the Tribes will accuse me of spreading "lies and slander" but at the same time, they are always saying people "should not let their human voice be silenced." I want them to have a life of love, and not be exhausted and run down. To continue to love God and even leave if they wish and not fear Death, or to stay and be happy.
I do not think think they are "the only true work of God in 1900 years", or "the only place where God's spirit dwells", far from it!
But I love them, and wish I could be friends with them, without them thinking they are right about everything, and everyone else is under the control of Satan.
I am posting this here so it is on the home page so those who aren't familiar with the site and the navigation of it or have the automatic email notification when something new is posted...
I wanted to revisit the "Ha'Emeq Affair" and just lay it out in black and white why the Kahol/Meeting/Judgment of Marsha's fornication and adultery was a sham. It was swept under the rug, hushed up and is still not common knowledge amongst the Tribesmen and she was whisked off to a different "church" just like the Catholic Church likes to do with their pedophile priests.
First let's take a look at a genuine Twelve Tribes Teaching titled "The Personality of God in Us" August 25, 1994 - Morning Sacrifice and the section on
"Sexual Immorality"
You have become one Spirit with our Master, Yahshua - don't join yourself to someone else. Anyone who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. Our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit - you are not your own anymore - you were bought with a price - you were purchased by His death on the cross - you are one with God. The new translations omit the rest of that - "glorify God in your bodies." So you can see that it would be unthinkable to involve our Master in sexual misconduct. This is why people have fallen away and could not be restored no matter what they tried to do because they went over the boundary of His love. There's no way to re-connect them. Even if they didn't totally connect with the other person (the other person didn't go along with them), their intention was to.
So you can see that sexual conduct is only meant for marriage - it involves ones whole being - it has a great spiritual significance, a social thing. It's the most horrible thing that could happen in the Body to have this relationship outside of marriage. You have to be deceitful to hide it, to pine away for it, to die and leave. You have to leave - there is no way you can stay unless this has happened before you came to the knowledge of the truth. But we have trained our children now to come to Abba and Emma when something strange occurs. If you haven't trained your child then you're an obstacle in the Body and you will be removed. It's sin against the Body - do you understand this? And not only against the Body, but a sin against the Holy Spirit who dwells in the Body you've connected yourself to. If we've been purchased by the blood of our Master - we honor Him - we belong to Him. If anyone in the Body has been restored it is because our Father had great mercy on us because we didn't fully understand what we were doing (we were led into something).
So we can see the difference with the Body of Messiah who committed fornication with the world and aligned herself with them (the harlot) - Rev 18:2 - all the unclean birds came in (Christianity). "She became a harlot" - became indicates pre-existence in something else. The Son of God became a man - it was a miracle. Yahshua existed as God eternally, but He took on humanity. This was the miracle of the virgin birth - the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary and she gave birth to a son and she called Him Joshua which means Yahshua (Yahweh saves). (end of section of teaching)
So how can Ha'Emeq continue to live in "The Body"? And does this not defile and taint everything she has ever said, taught and made law?
And just in case you missed it or it has been kept from you by the elders... I wanted to post this to where hopefully some current TT members will be able to read. If this is new to you, this is the letter that came out around August of 2008 and yes, it is 100% factual and true...It is written by Elahav (Tom Rivera) the head elder of the Ithaca Community who left in Nov of last year and it's about Yadutan, A lead elder in Brazil and a major player in the Mate business, who left the TT in Febuary or so...
Why Yadutan and Emunah left the Twelve Tribes...
"I have some information that for conscience sake I need to let others know about. As some may have heard by now, I have been working with Yadutan since he has moved to Florida
close to where I live. When I first left the community, I heard that Yadutan had left the community as well, only about 3 months before I did. I was curious to hear why. At some point soon after, we spoke to one another and the
reasons he gave me were much along the same lines as to why I left.
Recently, he moved down to Florida near me and we began working together in a home office situation. One day I was working from his computer and I found myself staring at
an email that speaks of the main reason why he and his wife left. Naturally, I confronted him about it and he told me everything.
His response was shocking to say the least.
Those of us who know Yadutan, know that he would not have left lightly or on a whim, or just because he “loved the world”. I was quite disturbed to hear his reasons and after much deliberation I have decided that I want my friends to have the opportunity to know the truth about what happened, and decide for themselves whether or not they want to continue to give
their lives to something that is not true.
Also…. before they actually left the community, Yadutan and his wife went to Yoneq and Haemeq to resolve this issue and were unable to get it resolved to their satisfaction.
This is it in a nutshell:
14 or so years ago …. Yadutan was approached somewhat aggressively by Haemeq when he was a very young disciple in the church. Haemeq made sexual advances towards him. He was
in a very uncomfortable position, being “hit on” by the leaders wife. This was happening during the time when the morning and evening sacrifices were being established and taught about on daily basis.
For those of you who remember or have heard those teachings since then, you can appreciate
the enormity of what went on between Yadutan and Ha-emeq.
There were times when she would grab him by the belt loop or hold his hand while they were walking. There were times when they were traveling on their bus that she would slip her
hands under his bed covers and hold his hand at night.
One night she approached himfrom behind on the beach and wrapped her arms around him in an embrace. Eventually he gave in to the temptation and BECAME INVOLVED IN A SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HAEMEQ.. No, they did not have intercourse, or oral sex, but they did
everything else. They would passionately kiss, they would be stripped down to their underwear, lying on top of one another. They would masturbate one another. They would go to
the newly established gatherings unclean, minutes after being together. She would hold his hand during breaking of bread. They would have had intercourse but at one point or another one of them would stop the other.
I understand that this is not pleasant or even dignified to have to read these things, but I don’t know any other way of getting my point across..
I have sat in many meetings judging people for
doing much less than what these two people participated in. I have seen families torn apart because of judgments that have come from Yoneq over youth who have held hands or
kissed.
I have heard and taught on the utter wickedness of going to breaking of bread and minchot over and over again with unconfessed sin much less
serious in nature than what I speak of today.
Yadutan is not “blaming” Ha Emeq as being the only guilty one for what occurred, but he was terribly confused and upset in his conscience about what they had fallen into. He encouraged
her to stop on several occasions but she did not want to, and so they continued in their weakness.
THIS CONTINUED FOR A YEAR OR SO until Yoneq and Haemeq left brazil!!! At this point Yadutan was able to clear his head and wrote Haemeq
telling her that they must confess and repent and get forgiven no matter the cost. He told her she must expose it to Yoneq or he would have to do it! .Haemeq wrote back saying it was ok, all was forgiven.
Yadutan continued under the impression Haemeq had exposed herself..
Years later, it is uncovered that Haemeq had NEVER TOLD THE TRUTH. She has continued on in her role judging and mentoring, representing God on the earth, and whatever else you might describe her role to be, with a very very bad
conscience the whole time.
When Yadutan began to see that the tribes were “falling apart” on so many levels , he began to consider the problems , why they never get fixed and the hypocrisy that had risen to the sky.
He called for a meeting with Yoneq. He confessed to his own wife what had happened before they had met, and they went to Hiddenite to have the big meeting. When he got there he was met with what he felt was an attempt to sweep it all under
the rug . Yoneq said that he had just recently learned about the whole matter. He questioned them both concerning what had happened and then he forgave them both, and he told them
that our Father forgave them! That’s it!!!
Yadutan wondered why there was no body meeting , discipline, nothing! How could a husband judge his own wife like this with no
counsel? Others had been sent away for years , forced to marry, or worse, over less! Should Yacob and Qetsiayah know about this, after suffering over what their daughters went
through for committing sins of a far less serious nature?
Should Hur know about how Ha Emeq was judged for 14 YEARS of deceit after seeing his boys judged for sins far less serious?
The list could go on for quite some time.
Should all those cooks meetings be disregarded because Ha Emeq was “in the flesh” when she
taught and led them? THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FAR REACHING!
Think about it…. And what about Yoneq’s response? How many times I have sat and waited to hear from Yoneq concerning our Father’s judgment for someone, whether they should be sent away from the body or not. And this was only after several kahals and fact finding meetings. All the while, those who committed the sins are being held in custody.
He was asked time and again to be discreet and just forgive and “have wisdom and conceal the matter” Scriptures were sent to him encouraging him to keep the matter to himself.
(cont)
Yadutan was unable to obtain a good conscience this way and all his experience in the tribes was now in doubt for him and his wife. Even his own position seemed fraudulent to him as he felt “bought” so to speak. He insisted more men be
brought in and so Yoneq agreed and told Nahaliel and Nun.
After expressing their grave concern with the seriousness of the matter, investigating, and finding the whole story to be exactly true as Yadutan had described in lurid detail, they
both began a letter writing campaign to get Yadutan to just “move on” in the tribes.
Yadutan was increasingly distressed by these “elders” inability to grasp the gravity of this hypocrisy. He wrote to them about “the
emperors new clothes”, and the MEN BEHIND THE EMPEROR and the foundations of the community (teachings, tribes, minchahs) being formed
all by those who were living a lie while harshly judging others for their lack of purity.
He does not feel innocent of all this himself, but when he tried to do the right thing, he saw that it wasn’t really in the hearts of the leaders to deal fairly with the truth but to hide it in order to continue their charade.
I have had a lot to do with many people joining or remaining in the tribes. I feel for conscience sake, they are all deserving of the truth and
deserve to know ALL the information that I now have and also to know why Yadutan and his wife had to leave.
This is just a very brief version of a much deeper and more involved story. Please everyone know that Yadutan and his wife Emunah loved and gave their lives to the building of the community, as did my wife and I, but I can not stand by
while my friends unwittingly go on trusting their lives, believing that they are building on something solid.
My faith has been undermined by the reality of what the twelve tribes has really become! I did not easily come to these decisions. It has been very painful for everyone involved and I know for a fact that Yadutan has no joy in having to
live with this. BUT NEVER THE LESS IT IS THE TRUTH.
People can try and contact him if they need to know or verify anything. There are those who will say this is a lie from people who listen to liars, but there pages and pages and pages of emails and letters concerning this matter. There
are those who won’t care anyways and will continue on in the community. This letter isn’t for
those people. This letter is for the people who still care about the truth.. For those who have been on the edge, and even for those who haven’t. It’s a wake up call to our friends in the Twelve Tribes.
I hope this letter gives some closure to the many
ex-members who left and still suffer from guilt of leaving. And also those who were sent away, cut-off or punished for things that are trifling compared to adultery and fornication amongst the HOLY!!! Or those who after dieing in
the tribes were judge unworthy of the cloud of witnesses and sentenced to the first death! - Elahav (Tom Rivera) booboo221@yahoo.com
Wow, ya, the 'haemeq affair', nothing more needs to be said, I wonder how much other unconfessed, or undiscovered sin there is in the TT. Without going too far into detail, we can all see by 'the fruit'.???? This is all too much for me to comprehend. They must use alot of spiritual stain remover to get them stains back to white and clean. This is unbelievable, how the TT operates. Like I said, 'nuff said, we can all 'see' whats happening there. And they have the nerve to tell you, your going to the Lake of Fire for leaving them?, My only sentiment to the TT is to get it right, so me and others can have a PLACE TO BELONG, that the wonderfulness and beauty of the Holy Spirit can live in US, and be that light with LOVE in it.
The Twelve Tribes are on the wrong path...
They think they are right, they are wrong, but their hearts are in the right place...
No need to circle the wagons, lock the doors or... Or pat yourself on the back because you think your on the right track! YOUR NOT!
There is no clandestine plans that I know of where there are folks out to destroy, take down or persecute the The Communities of the Twelve Tribes. I just know that their are many out here, "in the world", who have left the Tribes, been booted out of the Tribes or would love to go in if only... if only they would finally act like the one they are following. That's the problem! They are acting like Yoneq! Not Yahshua! They are not mirroring the unconditional love of the Messiah! For one, you have to have the Holy Spirit to be able to produce such supernatural love!
So there is no call for the Elders who watch this site from the shadows to add to their delusion that they must be doing something right because of all the "persecution" they are receiving or paranoically fantasize that they will be getting from the "evil one"
There are some there that truly believe I am a henchmen for Satan here to destroy there efforts to raise up the 144,000 and thwart the return of Messiah. If it wasn't such a serious charge about such a critical matter for the souls of men I would laugh but I can't due to it's magnitude and its consequences.
The Tribes need to know that their are hundreds possibly thousands that want to see them succeed! To bring about the return of Yahshua Ha'Mashiach !
But in my heart I know there are some elders who read this who know my heart and knew my heart when I served there with everything I had. Who heard my cry out, literally scream so loud that the fish jumped out of the water when I was baptized. All 3 times!
There are disciples there who know that this world does not HAVE 50 years left to "run the race" which is no scriptural to begin with and reeks of the LAW. Also the fact that they literally don't have the numbers to produce 144,00 males let along virgin ones! And that the they are not boys unsullied by female flesh but by the Harlot and her sisters! The Roman Catholic Church and all her offspring and denominations. Ones who weren't brought up in them or injected with them. Ones who know only the pure Gospel. The WORD. The LIVING WORD Yahshua ha'Mashiach.
Now in order for them to do that, they will need help, they will need numbers and most of all they will need the power of the Holy Spirit that roared through the house on the Pentecost and turned the disciples into the most powerful evangelists ever known. They will need the "Later Rain" and they will need to be ready for it and worthy of it. And were I am standing right now the elders are stained with numerous unconfessed sins. They know what they have done, what they have ordered. They know they have held their tongues when they should have spoken out against the edicts they followed just to appease Yoneq and the rest of the ruling class.
Why do you think they are so stunted? Why are they at Zero population growth? Why do children born and raised there
leave? Why are there as many leaving as there are joining? The amount of those being grafted in are the same amount as the fruit falling off the tree and rotting on the ground.
They may have had the Holy Wind at one time but they have lost it, grieved it and I think as a reminder to Yoneq "He" has left him the same number of converts as were saved in one day with the Holy Spirit's help. 3,000.
So when will you listen? When will you take your fingers out of your ears and your hands away from your eyes and SEE just what is going on! See what needs, no not needs, HAS TO BE DONE in order for you to accomplish your goal of His return? Prepare ye the way of the Sovereign! Be found worthy of the "Later Rain" or all is for not...
Judge not or find yourself judged...
Who's listening to Yahshua?
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Body Meeting - September 2, 1990
"Mary Wiseman's Death"
These notes are the results of a meeting of the "Body" (the
available gathered membership of Messianic Communities) after the
death of Mary Wiseman. The purpose of the meeting was to "discern"
the cause of Mary's death. Why had God allowed this young woman, who
was the wife of the second-in-command (Hakam), to die at such a young
age, and in such a painful, lingering way? Why had God not heard the
prayers of the membership? From CAIC:
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2426&Itemid=8
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Kesher and Sarah:
When it was all over the elders called for a judgment and Daniel said
it was to find out why Sarah had died. Sarah said "I'm not dead!?!"
and Daniel said if Kesher would have had faith and she would have stayed
in the body she would have died and we must know why our Father wanted
her dead.
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Jhn 9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from
[his] birth.
Jhn 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin,
this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jhn 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents...
Jhn 8:4 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken
in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Jhn 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery,
in the very act.
Jhn 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be
stoned: but what sayest thou?
Jhn 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse
him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the
ground, [as though he heard them not].
Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and
said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a
stone at her.
Now this was almost 20 years ago but if they have changed and see how they have been wrong then shouldn't they let that be known? And repent and apologize in tears to those they hurt with this? Like Mary's children? Her husband is another story...
But it is apparent they havent changed there ways with the "Kesher and Sarah" judgment.
Let's not forget seeing the double standard in plain sight with the Ha'Emeq judgment.
sorry... I didn't make that an active link...
http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2426&Itemid=8
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS
Yoneq got the hand picked leaders to conspire to keep the offense against the "Body" a secret. A secret kept from the proletariat and apparently from "their" God. The only way to rectify the situation is to either execute the same discipline on the perpetrator that others got or to make a
public confession that the writings that were supposedly given by God are not infallible.
This would either demand that Yoneq confess that he unjustly brought judgment on others or maintain that the writings that he issued were correct and then be consistent in executing the same justice to Ha 'emeq that he layed on others. Truth must be consistent, it can not exist in hypocrisy. Yahshua told us to "beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy".The problem here is that if he admits error in his
execution of judgments on others, then it begs the question as to what other teachings and executions that he is in error of?
For example, those whose marriages were dissolved because he encouraged members to divorce spouses who either left for one reason or another, or were thrown out in judgment on the basis of his teachings or opinions. How many families were/are ruined by this? How many women have children by a former husband and then again by their husband that she replaced him with from the tribes? How many people have left God all together because of his, Yoneq's misrepresentations?
Yoneq needs to publicly make confession and repent of these atrocities and ask forgiveness from God and those whose lives he ruined, or he will be cast into the
very lake of fire that he has so often threatened others into in order to control them into his idea of truth and obedience. And anyone who continues with him in this farce is going with him. Anyone who sees the inconsistencies and does nothing to correct them is truly a coward, lacks integrity and dishonors God. Due to the clear cut
defiance of his own supposedly God sent writings concerning illicit association and adulterous behavior, and causing those below him in authoritive stations to defy such directives from God, he has made" the truth" a lie and therefore caused his minions to become "liars that listen to liars" for perpetuating this scandalous and hypocritical cover up and all the other suppositions that he taught that lie against the Truth. It is Yoneq himself who has broken the covenant of one heart and one mind. He has become the enemy of unity.
The true God of all creation awaits His name to be cleared from Yoneq's dark misrepresentations.
"Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins."
You can't teach the Gospel two ways either. The Tribes confuses the writing of the law, the character of God on our hearts by the Holy Spirit, which brings about self sacrificing love towards God and all men with the Old Covenant letter of the law, which was fulfilled in the perfect One, Yahshua.
THE OLD COVENANT FOREVER LAWS FULFILLED IN YAHSHUA
The Sabbath is forever such as in Exodus 31: “So shall the Israelites observe the Sabbath, keeping it throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant (v. 16). However, so is circumcision forever. “Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant” (Genesis 17:13). Passover is also to be observed forever. “Now this day will be a memorial to you, and you shall celebrate it as a feast to the LORD; throughout your generations you are to celebrate it as a permanent ordinance” (Exodus 12:14). The Day of Atonement is likewise forever. "Now you shall have this as a permanent statute, to make atonement for the sons of Israel for all their sins once every year. And just as the LORD had commanded Moses, so he did” (Leviticus 16:34). Do you observe all these forever things? There are many more things that God says are to be observed forever. Do you observe all those also? You don’t observe those forever things because they were forever so long as the covenant to which they were attached lasted. They were all Old Covenant forever things that have become obsolete with that covenant. “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear” (Hebrews 8:13). Paul under inspiration notes that the entire Old Covenant is obsolete for New Covenant believers. So are all the things that were mentioned above. Now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held that we should serve in newness of Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter (Romans 7:6). That's why Paul directed in Romans 14 that we are not to judge anyone on which day they take to rest or what they eat. Some keep one day some another; some it doesn't matter what day, any day will do. The point is that God wants you to take a day off, and it's to be a whole day for resting and refreshing yourself and your families. The "Ox in the ditch was for an act of mercy that was for the individual, and only took a short while to remedy; it was an occasional thing that one happened along. "The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath". And also,Paul says "The Lord showed me that there is nothing unclean of itself" "The kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but rightousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost". "For meat destroy not the work of Go. ALL THINGS INDEED ARE PURE, but it is evil for that man who eats with offense" . Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, [that] eat, asking no question for conscience sake for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fullness thereof. If any of them that believe not bid you [to a feast], and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth [is] the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another [man's] conscience? For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? (1Cor.10:25-30) "Every creature is good, and nothing to be refused, if it is recieved with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer" (1Tim 4:4,5).
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The Old Covenant physical laws were canceled at the cross, but the spiritual significance or symbolism is fulfilled in Yahshua. Yahshua did not come to abolish but to fulfill (cf. Matthew 5:17). Yahshua is our circumcision. “In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by the Annointed Yahshua” (Col. 2:11; see also Romans 2:28-29 and Galatians 6:15). Yahshua is our Passover. “Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed “ (1 Corinthians 5:7). Jesus is our Atonement. “When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order. When Yahshua came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption” (Hebrews 9:6-12). Yahshua is our Sabbath. "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30; cf. Galatians 4:9-11; Hebrews 4:1-10). And such trust have we through Yahshua to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life (2Cor. 3:4-6).
As a side note the sign of circumcision did begin with Abraham before the Old Covenant, but it was incorporated into the Old Covenant as the entrance sign into that covenant. Thus it became obsolete with the Old Covenant.
We are forever observing the spiritual significance of the Sabbath when we rest from our work and accept Yahshua by faith. Then we enter into God’s eternal rest (Hebrews 4:3-11) which the Old Covenant Sabbath only foreshadowed.
God Bless You
There is rest in LOVE but in FEAR there is none...
You see the Tribes live in fear...constantly and yes it is very apparent no one get's any physical, mental,emotional or spiritual rest.
Even the elders who don't labor don't rest because they live in the fear of there own transgressions and the fear of their "overlord" if they do not execute the transgressions given them to perform... BY THE LETTER!
They must be so tired of wrestling with their consciences...
Maybe when they are done then they can be called "Israel"...
The TT will probably consider this a badge of courage...(like they need more pride right?)
But they made the number 4 slot on the Christian Answers Network web site...
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/aiia-top10cults.html
and of course they will say it is just persecution from the evil one...
Dear God when will all the men in the tribes finally "man up" and take responsibility for their lives and live their lives with their respective families and maybe, just maybe, enjoy life for a change instead of just "acting" like they enjoy their lives to please their overmasters...
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For all of us that speak the truth and proclaim that the Emperor who has no clothes...
and to the Elders of the Twelve Tribes...
Ravenous Wolves
To anyone who would criticize the exposure of the conspiracy that has
been entered into by the leaders of the Twelve Tribes, let them consider the the true picture.
They may point to the scriptures about the woman being judged for engaging in adultery as justification to excuse the actions of one of their leaders in authority and claim an unholy accusation by those that have brought the matter to light, but be assured, there is
no comparison at all.
The woman accused of adultery was being used to trap Yahshua into a situation where they could prove that He disregarded the law. He therefore showed that those who were guilty of evil in their own lives had no right to bring accusation against another. "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone".
Therefore, to those who would hide their sins, put on airs of rightousness, while securing uneven priveledges for themselves while demanding a cleanliness of heart that they do not even meet; our Savior had direct, clear cutting rebukes for:
"Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in [yourselves], nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Mat.23:12-15
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier [matters] of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel! "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead [men's] bones and all uncleanness.Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of
hypocrisy and lawlessness. Mat.23:23-28
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor [can] a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Mat. 7:15-23.
To those who would hear and repent and make right for all the hurt that they had done, He offers mercy. He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever confesses and forsakes [them] will have mercy.
Proverbs 28:13
Seek the LORD while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, And the unrighteous man his thoughts; Let him return to the LORD, And He will have mercy on him; And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon.
Isaiah 55: 7,8.
Nabashalam is one of Satans henchman. I've seen his union card "United Henchmen Workers of Satan".
Seriously though, Yoneq pays him a stipend to oppose the TwelveTribes so the members can think there's opposition. The whole thing is operated from a branch of the CIA as an ongoing sociological experiment. That's why some people have absolutely dreadful experiences there.
But I'm lying, because it's Halloween.
Surrender your life to God, if He leads you to the TwelveTribes, then you can know thats where He wants you to be.
Dude! You just blew my reverse psychology ploy!
Dang! Now nobody will ever join!
From the heart of an ex-member about the "HaEmeq" affair...
She want's to remain anonymous and so she shall...
"A person in a high spiritual position has the farthest to fall. Marsha needs to fall on her own dagger and feel what it is like. I want to say as a woman that I feel that this was an affair. Women fool themselves when they think that petting, love making with some clothes on, and such relations are more excusable since a full sexual relationship did not take place. This sexual lust acted out betrays our sexual conscience. We are not fooling God. Misuse of sexual relations in any manner cuts us off from ourselves, others, and God. The Old and New Testament if full of warnings about this. Those in spiritual leadership who lure followers into such sins have a heavy burden. Especially a senior woman leader who is to be an example of faithfulness to her own husband. Proverbs 23: 27...for a prostitute is a deep pit and a wayward wife is a narrow well. It may seem like I am pointing a finger but I know three fingers are pointing back at me so I say all these thoughts carefully and humbly. A full confession to the community and a general confession to the public is necessary and mandated by Jesus Christ for forgiveness and restoration."
This is from someone who had a relative join the Tribes and was courted by his relatives to join. They checked out the Tribes and here their conclusion to the matter.
They wish to stay anonymous because they do not want to be "cut off" from their family in the Tribes. And so they shall stay anonymous.
"To say that the Holy Spirit resides only in the Twelve Tribes defies
the clearly defining revelation of it's work by the scriptures. To
claim that for nineteen hundred years the world had no impartation of the Holy Spirit is to claim that nobody had heaven's power to over come sin in their life, for it is only by this power of the Spirit that man becomes restored. "For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the flesh ye shall live" "for as many are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom. 8:13,14.
By the teaching of the Twelve Tribes, no man has become a
new man by the only way it can happen, through the Holy Spirit, and for nineteen hundred years men have only been able to walk in the flesh. This means that all their goodness can only havebeen an outward, worldly, politeness and not the unrequiting love thatcomes upon men through the work of the Holy Spirit. By the teaching of
the Twelve Tribes we would have to come to believe that no man or
woman has been capable of true love to their God or their fellow manfor all these hundreds of years.
We would have to believe that if onewho has led a wicked life, and should happen upon the biblical
scriptures, and is encompassed by a Spirit that he has never before
experienced which brings about a conviction of right living unto God
and man, that the Holy Spirit was not the cause of this? That it was
an angel? No angel has been given such power to convict a man of sin,
and righteousness, and judgment. This, as scripture reveals, can onlybe effected by the work of the Holy Spirit, for this is the reason it was given. Speaking of this ministry of "the Comforter", the "Holy Spirit",Yahshua says, " When he is come, he will reprove THE WORLD of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment" John 16:8 (When? only since the Body of the Twelve Tribes has formed?, and nobody has been
convicted of sin, righteousness, or judgment for nineteen hundred
years prior? can you not see the absurdity of such a teaching?)
Our heavenly Father speaks to us in His word. He says " to as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them who believe on His name" John 1:12 ". Name" is synonymous with character, therefore, those believing on His name are those who render
obedience to Him that He gives this power, which is the Holy Spirit if we are to believe Romans 8:13 and John 1:12. He says that He gives His Spirit to those who obey Him. "The God of our fathers raised up Yahshua ...Him hath God exalted with His right hand to be a Prince and a savior for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.And we are His witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Sprit, whom God hath given TO THEM THAT OBEY HIM. And, if you hear the Word of God and turn from it in disobedience, then you will not receive the Holy Spirit: "...if any man have not the Spirit of Yahshua, he is none of His" Rom. 8:9.
Having these truths brought out can only bring us to understand that whomever comes by His word and renders obedience in what he
understands of it, will be given the Holy Spirit.Therefore, we must
realize that there are many amongst the denominations, or even those who read and hear the Word of God anywhere they be, in the masses of society or in a secluded location, that by obeying all the light thatthey understand are counted righteous and in obedience and are gifted with the Holy Spirit.
There are many individuals in the various churches that are held at variance by their supposed brethren because they live by the closer understandings of our Father's will that they
have been convicted of by the direction of the Holy Spirit as they delve deeper and deeper into His word. These are also those that inour Father's eyes, have not "bowed their knee to Baal". It is an errantly perceived teaching to consider these faithful ones as not
walking in obedience and devoid of the Holy Spirit's presence in their
lives. We must ask at this point, does the God of heaven have a
special set apart Body In which He is bringing about a work for the
closing days of this Earths, as we now know its, history, that will
produce the 144,00 "virgins" that will give the final warning by the
proclamation of the three angels messages of Revelation 14 and the
call to "come out" of Revelation 18? Yes, it is quite obvious to
anybody that prayerfully studies end time prophecy, that this is why
our Father has brought about the formation of the New Israel, the
Twelve Tribes which are in fulfillment of Revelation 7.
Now realizing that there are many of the denominations and of private study that walk after the Spirit and not the flesh in their daily lives, we have to acknowledge that these are the they that the Body is to "call out
of her" that they may become one with the Body. "I heard another voice from Heaven saying, Come out of her MY PEOPLE, that ye be not
partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues"
Revelation 18:4. He calls them "His people", and as we have already seen, no one can be His unless He has given them His Holy Spirit.
We must cease from this opposition of clear bible truth where we maintain that "nobody has the Holy Spirit, but those who reside in the Twelve Tribes". Is one tribe to "call out" from another tribe of the Twelve?
No, His people are the faithful ones around the world that He has
given His Spirit to because of the obedience they rendered to Him in
the best of their understanding. They, as are those in the Twelve
Tribes, are counted righteous for this, and the things that they and
also those of the Tribes had or have yet to understand, are "hid in
Yahshua" like Moses was "hid in the Rock"(Ex.33:22 & Col.3:3) in mercy until further understanding is revealed. Yahshua was not ashamed to call us brethren even though we were not yet what He wished us to be, we, by the same Spirit need to recognize that all those who walk in obedience of the denominations and the greater populace of society are
counted as His and we should recognize them as brethren. They are the "Other sheep which are not of this fold". Any failure to recognize this foments bigotry and spiritual arrogance which is not the spirit that we were called unto.
The presence of the Holy Spirit is without a doubt within the Twelve
Tribes, but the Twelve Tribes itself is not thee Holy Spirit. Because the Holy Spirit's presence is felt strongly in the Body of the Twelve Tribes is by no means to be construed as residing only there. There is without a doubt a special indwelling for the special revelations needed for the work of calling the world to repentance and bringing about the Holy ones and the 144,000, but we can not continue to believe and teach that the Tribes are the sole possessors.
The Holy Spirit is given to all in the society of men who believe as in the capacity and spectrum revealed to us in John 16, but the imparting in the Body is for the bringing about of a special work.
There are yet many things to learn and many to unlearn. Without the corrections that need so much to be made, all the hard work from over so many years will come to naught and our Father will have to start again."
Amen and Amen
Here is a new letter from an elder who left, to a disciple who is still in...
and a commentary from a 2nd generation disciple who was born raised by one of the founding couples and left.
http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?p=381880#post381880
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