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Thursday, January 24, 2008

Yoneq's teaching on lying





You voted, I heard and here it is. Yoneq's teaching on lying.

These teachings are not meant for public consumption and are not even given to new members until they are deemed "ready" to "receive" them. The following teaching was also one of Yoneq's earlier writings. Again I will state up front, "These words are from Elbert Eugene Spriggs (Yoneq) and his opinions are not shared by VOICE or any contributors of this site, it's hosts or the majority of mankind"

APPROACH: I do not plan to alter or edit or even comment on the original teaching. The Twelve Tribes consistently criticize those of us in "the world" for misinterpreting or twisting their teachings and beliefs. My approach is simple, expose it to the light of day as it is. The teaching will speak for itself. I have highlighted certain words that I feel address Yoneq's belief that it is ok for "them" not to tell the truth to "us" for the reasons he gives. I will gladly entertain and respond to comments from prospective, current or ex-members as well as concerned family members/friends. Just click on the comment button at the end of the article.

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11/29/88 - Yoneq
Phase 2 - Lying

Rev. 21:8 - ("But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.") - This literally means there is real fire and brimstone. Hell now is not a literal fire. The 2nd death is a lake of fire, this is not symbolic. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire. Rev. 22:15 - ("Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.") There is a difference between telling a lie and loving and practicing lying. If you love lying it is a different thing - you can't get that paid for - there is no atonement - it is premeditated love for lying - practicing it.

There is a vast difference between bearing false witness and concealing the truth. Bearing false witness is against the law - the 10 Commandments. You can't continue breaking the 10 Commandments without going to death. Your conscience will accuse you. Romans
2:15 - ("They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness; and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them." Prov. 19:9 - ("A false witness will not go unpunished, and the liar will perish.") Rev. 3:5-11 We will be confronted with this - We must judge it right.

Ex.
20:16 - ("You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.") - Lying under oath when it hurts someone else when you are trying to get out of something. Bearing false witness will send you to the 2nd death. There is a difference between bearing false witness and concealing a matter (not telling the truth) that others have forfeited their right to know because of their hostile and evil attitude toward God. King Saul forfeited his right to know about Samuel's visit to anoint the new king. 1 Sam. 16:1,2,4 We have to make that judgment - If someone told a malicious lie or not. The court would say it was a lie because they would think they had a right to know. Saul forfeited his right to know. Samuel's reason was to anoint the king so the sacrifice was a diversion. But it didn't hurt anyone because Saul forfeited his right to know because of his actions. We must understand this and pass it on to our children in the right way. Sometimes we make a stand with the truth by not revealing the truth or by our answers that are or are not true. Since we respect and honor all authority from God we know to whom and when to honor it for we must all stand at the judgment seat of Messiah for what we did in the Body. Our definition of lying means the intentional deception of those who had a right to know. They need to know for the sake of justice and righteousness - then we are obligated to tell them the truth.

Lying constitutes maliciousness. That goes against your conscience which defiles you and condemns you if you know the truth. In these situations we must continue in the work and the truth will set us free so our conscience won't condemn us when we do something right. You may however pay the cost of deliberately concealing a matter of information.


Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Rahab, Samuel - did they have the obligation to tell the devil the truth? Are we obligated to tell the devil the truth? Do the courts have the right to know what you know? And what will the outcome be? Where are your friends? Who will suffer unjustly by your knowledge? We must judge these things right so our conscience can be programmed right. Is it warfare that we are engaged in? * It needs to be warfare - does your answer hurt someone else who is innocent? * It is according to warfare. Lying is more than intentional deception. Telling the truth may cause serious harm to an innocent party. Such intentional deception may be moral and must be determined by judging if someone has a moral right to know the truth for justice sake. Heb. 11:31 - ("By faith Rahab the prostitute did not perish with those who were disobedient, because she had received the spies in piece.")

Rahab was commended not rebuked for receiving the spies. If she had told the truth it would not have been for justice, but for injustice. We are obligated by our conscience and the Holy Spirit to always tell the truth. What constitutes the truth? Not telling the truth (in certain cases) is not a lie then. Truth is truth. Not telling the truth to someone who doesn't deserve the truth isn't lying. Telling the truth in certain circumstances may do serious harm to an innocent party. If they knew the truth it wouldn't always be justice by what they would do with their evil intentions.

We are obligated by our conscience and the Holy Spirit to always tell the truth, but we are not obligated to tell the truth to those who have forfeited their right to know by their obvious evil intentions.

Ex. 3:18 The essence of falsehood is the intention to deceive. Was God and Moses lying? Or did Pharaoh have a right to know the truth? He had hostile intentions so he had no right. Will the government have right to know when we flee? We aren't obligated to them - do we have to ask permission? There is a vast difference between concealing a matter and telling a lie and deliberately misleading the enemy during warfare. Warfare is the determining factor. The enemy in warfare does not have the right to know the truth. Because what would happen if they knew the truth?

In light of Rev. 21:8 and 22:15 and the Commandment in Ex. 20:13 is what we by all means want to avoid - bearing false witness, hurting an innocent person. At the Raid, the state didn't have the right to have the names of the elders and the children to carry out a grossly unlawful scheme. We are not to ever break the commandment to bear false witness against our neighbors. Our Father is showing us what His ways are. Our ways aren't always His ways. We were raised outside His ways and don't always know His ways. Prov. 8:7-9, 11 Sam.22:26 Someone can use your own principles in you for their own evil motives. It is the glory of YHWH to conceal a matter. Prov. 25:2 This adds discretion and wisdom to our life and the apostolic teaching.

There is no higher ethic or allegiance than to have love in your heart for your brothers and sisters. The ultimate allegiance is to have love for them. This is how you passed out of death into life, and how to obey the new commandment to love one another.




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1 comment:

panterus said...

shh, keep this a secret, okay.

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Interesting news article concerning the Sus House (castle) and controversy in France with the Twelve Tribes.

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Place a checkmark beside all items that characterize the group in question. If you check many of these items, and particularly if you check most of them, you might consider examining the group more closely.

The above check list comes from Dr. Michael Langone, editor of Cultic Studies Journal, and often characterize manipulative groups. Dr. Langone suggest prospective recruits and family members compare these statements to the group. If one or more of these apply to your group you may have a cause for concern. I say, if all apply as in the case of the Twelve Tribes, you should repent (turn 180 degrees) and run.

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