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Friday, February 8, 2008

Ex-Testimonies Part III - Children of the Elders – Noah Jones and Zeb Wiseman Video Testimonies

The Twelve Tribes can continue to spin the truth (or more accurately, their lies) about child abuse and the “great and happy life of children in the community”. Attached below are two testimonies of children of high level leaders in the Twelve Tribes who were born and raised and “escaped” the “life” that they describe as far different than the picture portrayed by the Twelve Tribes propaganda machine.

Noah Jones and Zeb Wiseman - Part I

Zeb Wiseman who is featured in these videos is one of Eddie Wiseman’s children who had to face the slander and lies told about his mother Mary after she died of cancer within the communities. Yoneq (Spriggs) felt the reputation and character of this loving, God fearing woman was worth trashing in order to maintain control of his flock and strengthen his own position and power. Furthermore, the mental wellbeing of Mary’s children were also an acceptable cost to maintaining control and power. The lesson he effectively communicated was "if you speak against the “anointed” (Spriggs) you will die".

Noah Jones and Zeb Wiseman - Part II

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The Twelve Tribe leaders will tell you the proof they are God's chosen people is the "life" they are leading. They can't tell you why other communal religious groups who live the same "life' the same way, are also not "saved".

It is their belief that they are going to raise 144,000 virgin young men who will go into the world to preach "the Gospel". Yoneq (Spriggs) claimed that he had come to "turn the hearts of the sons towards their fathers and the hearts of the fathers towards their sons" However, the evidence above is just a small glimpse of the horrible truth. The Twelve Tribes are effectively destroying the basic structure of the family and driving their sons to the point they feel the need to "escape" the oppression of the "life" within the Twelve Tribes.

The leaders of the Twelve Tribe are held up as examples for their followers to emulate. Here are two examples of leaders who instead of turning their hearts towards their sons, have cut them off as if they were dead. They are so headstrong on living out the dogma of their doctrine and following their "anointed" leader above all, they have allowed their own children to be abused, abandoned and slandered just like anyone else who chooses to leave the Twelve Tribes. In Eddie's case, he was willing to allow his wife to be openly slandered in front of her children immediately following her death. No wonder Noah can say, "I realized, this is not where God lives."

I still hear the little children of the Twelve Tribes singing, "Do you wonder if life has something more to offer? Ask yourself if you belong where you are?" At least two children raised within the Twelve Tribes have asked themselves this question and the answer was an emphatic "NO".

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28 comments:

nabashalam said...

What are the chances of actually hearing from these two young men now? These tapes are at least ten years old. Where are they now? What are their lives like now after being gone so long? What do they think now? Do they have any contact with their family? Their siblings? Have any more of them left????

Anonymous said...

So I checked out these guys myspaces and saw pics of Noah Jones father and mother. Are his parents now out of the community?

Voice said...

That is interesting Anonymous. I did a search on both Noah and Zeb in myspace and could not find anything. Noah's father Yonah is one of the original members and to the best of my knowledge is still in the TT. Feel free to send a link to the myspace profiles you are looking at (I won't publish it) and I will take a look-see.

Daniel said...

I knew their parents when I lived in Island Pond in the 80's. Both these boys were very young when I was there. David (Yonah) & Yaccabed Jones were Noah parents and Eddie (Hawkum) & Mary Wiseman were Zebulun's parents. I got along well with all of them. Eddie spent a good deal of time with me. Mary was especially sweet. I met David when he was evangelizing with Bill Smith (Kharash) at the Univeristy of Vermont in 1984.

danthewightman-myspace said...

Hi, my name is Dan, and I've just watch these vidio clips, 1st question is who contacted the media or why did the media choose to do this interview, what is/was it's intent and purpose? What did they wish to accomplich with it? Did the wish for the 12T's to disband and join the rest for the self centered society? chasing after power, prestige (fame-fortune-and everything) to become part of the cloned numbered socity? Did/does the media go and interview the Amish and their children and ask them if they fell that their being deprived overworked and crully punished ? Hey, this kids/boys don't know how good they had it, at least they had indoor bathrooms, running water, electric and modern transpertation. A statement I like to use is that the grass is always greener on the otherside of the fence,,, but is doesn't taste as good. I was raised a PK. my dad before he went to bible collage was a state correctional officer, and was under a harsh disciplinary life, hack even as my dad was attending collage studing to be a minister one day he had my brothers hand up on the counter threating and acting as if he was going to cut off his fingers with a butchers knife because he thought that my brother had stolen change out of a piggy bank, I thought he was actully going to do it and I think my mom thought the same and interceeded. So these poor guys think their the only ones, to be punished and went without, hey when they became of age they made the choice to leave just as the Amish children do, and I don't believe their parents help them out if they do. I believe once these kids get kicked in the teeth by society and even more by big brother uncle sam , they'll wake up and look back and maybe even go running/crawling back with hat in hand and say hey it wasn't all that bad, it beats the rat race I'm in now serving mammon. I believe I might join the group sometime in the near future, because Hey it's a jungle out there/here. I'm starting to get long in the tooth and I see what the NWO, OWG is doing to families and society and I'm looking for cover, I only wish I knew what I know now 10-15 yrs. ago.

nabashalam said...

Dan, Not everyones life is as dysfunctional and damaging as life in a destructive high control Christian Fundamentalist group such as the TT and as horrendous and obviously damaging as the one you had. I looked at your my space and Im intrigued and am checking out commonlawvenue.com . Now I have something for you to check out... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth

and here...

http://www.rickross.com/reference/singer/singer7.html

BTW I had a "bathtub" experience myself but ODed on smack before I made to the tub of hot water I had drawn and the razor that sat on the ledge... So I can relate...

panterus said...

do you realize that noah and zeb's life goal is to just party and smoke pot, like, all the time, maybe they have a strong work ethic from the tribes, but they have a strong pot ethic to go with it. just to let ya'll know.

nabashalam said...

And how pray tell do you know this?

Sounds like a TT rumor...

How can you slander these young men when you have no idea, facts or proof of this lie you spread?

smart said...

These tapes aren't 10 years old. I joined the group 9 years ago and both the boys were in it. I have also left the group. Everyone has stories of sadness in there lives and have the rights to do what they want. So if you stay or go that is your right. Get on with your life. Find the government people that will help you and start living the way that you want. As the boys wanting to smoke pot. Tell me of alot of people that don't want to smoke it. Most people try drugs at a stage in there lives.

nabashalam said...

Very "smart" indeed!

"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness.
Just because they are not on your road doesn't mean they
have gotten lost..." -Dalai Lama

panterus said...

just like the twelve tribes, they are on a different path from yours, and yet after the words you spoke you would still claim that they are lost, even when it seems like they know where they are going. I would take greater consideration when you try to spill out the words of a righteous man like the Dali Lama.

nabashalam said...

I believe I have grown and see, feel and embrace the words of the Dalai Lama...

No right or wrong... just different...

panterus said...

so your saying the Twelve Tribes isn't wrong then? amazing!

panterus said...

He is gathering info, facts, names, dates and numbers so when the State Police raid this time, it will be by the book, charges will be levied and they will stick!

After the Island Pond raid and recently the FLDS raid in Texas, authorities will finally figure out how NOT to do it...

(I wonder where this came from?)

nabashalam said...

I'm not saying they're right either!

nabashalam said...

http://www.wincustomize.com/articles.aspx?aid=169823&c=1

nabashalam said...

I have no idea who you are but this is a very serious accusation. Do you have proof of what you just printed? If not you could be sued for libel, slander and deformation of character. Or even worse, a good old fashion ass whoopin.

For some reason the Jones family have blocked me on facebook after being "friends". Probably because of gossip and lies about me, similar to what your spreading.

But if I wanted to spend the time and resources you can bet your ass I could find out who you were, where you live and your mothers maiden name.And so could Noah or Pete.

So if you don't have documents or proof of these allegations you had better start clicking the "I apologize please forgive me" button real quick...

Anonymous said...

The TT is like a big spam. I know both Noah and Zeb. I'm actually engaged to Zeb. Both these men are doing awesome. I'm so glad they left and told the press how abusive and controlling the cult is.

nabashalam said...

Yes I applaud them also...They were very brave young men indeed...

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nabashalam said...

Mark, Why did you delete your last two posts? Are you still living in fear of them? Therefore giving them control over you once again?

Be brave brother! They can't hurt you any longer unless you allow them to...

Anonymous said...

I don't know who panterus is but he does not know Noah or Zeb. He sounds like a ignorant hater. Noah and and Zeb both are successful business owners and have their heads on straight. Maybe you are the miserable loser and you should shut your mouth about ppl you don't know

Anonymous said...

Whoever you are your a total coward and dont know anything about these young men. You better hope they don't find out who you are, those are some tough boys. You better watch out slandering ppl, you might end up in a ditch

Anonymous said...

Panterus you are a total fag.i hope noah or zeb find out about the lies you are telling. You are just a miserable jealous hater. You might want to do some research about people befor running your mouth. I'm sure someone like zeb wiseman would love to get his hands on you if he ever saw this! You best watch what you say hater!

David Pike said...

If you find panterus, bitch slap him/her a few times for me...

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Place a checkmark beside all items that characterize the group in question. If you check many of these items, and particularly if you check most of them, you might consider examining the group more closely.

The above check list comes from Dr. Michael Langone, editor of Cultic Studies Journal, and often characterize manipulative groups. Dr. Langone suggest prospective recruits and family members compare these statements to the group. If one or more of these apply to your group you may have a cause for concern. I say, if all apply as in the case of the Twelve Tribes, you should repent (turn 180 degrees) and run.

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