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Tuesday, January 22, 2008

Coming Soon - Yoneq’s reasoning for why it is ok for the Twelve Tribes to not tell the truth

Yoneq wrote “Phase 2 – Lying” after the Island Pond incident where elders and parents deliberately withheld information concerning the names of children and their parents so that the police and the DA could not issue proper warrants which require this information be provided. “At the Raid, the state didn't have the right to have the names of the elders and the children to carry out a grossly unlawful scheme.” - Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

The Twelve Tribes still hold up to this day, their victory when a judge ruled the raid improper and dismissed the case. Many members and some shepherds were conflicted concerning what they perceived to be lying on behalf of the leadership. Also they were trying to reconcile what it means to honor the authority of the government (as God has established it) with the actions taken that day. Therefore, Yoneq felt it necessary to write this teaching to justify their actions. Once again, the means justify the ends. The interesting thing about this teaching is that Yoneq includes a disclaimer - “You may however pay the cost of deliberately concealing a matter of information.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

Below are some excerpts from the teaching on lying. The full teaching will be exposed later this week on www.YATTT.blogspot.com



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“Our definition of lying means the intentional deception of those who had a right to know.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“There is a difference between telling a lie and loving and practicing lying.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“There is a vast difference between bearing false witness and concealing the truth.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“There is a difference between bearing false witness and concealing a matter (not telling the truth) that others have forfeited their right to know because of their hostile and evil attitude toward God.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“The court would say it was a lie because they would think they had a right to know”. – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Sometimes we make a stand with the truth by not revealing the truth or by our answers that are or are not true.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Since we respect and honor all authority from God we know to whom and when to honor it….” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Our definition of lying means the intentional deception of those who had a right to know.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Who will suffer unjustly by your knowledge? We must judge these things right so our conscience can be programmed right.” Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Lying is more than intentional deception. Telling the truth may cause serious harm to an innocent party. Such intentional deception may be moral and must be determined by judging if someone has a moral right to know the truth for justice sake” - Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“We are obligated by our conscience and the Holy Spirit to always tell the truth. What constitutes the truth? Not telling the truth (in certain cases) is not a lie then. Truth is truth. Not telling the truth to someone who doesn't deserve the truth isn't lying.” - Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“Will the government have right to know when we flee? We aren't obligated to them - do we have to ask permission? There is a vast difference between concealing a matter and telling a lie and deliberately misleading the enemy during warfare.” - Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“At the Raid, the state didn't have the right to have the names of the elders and the children to carry out a grossly unlawful scheme.” - Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“You may however pay the cost of deliberately concealing a matter of information.” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988

“It is the glory of YHWH to conceal a matter. Prov. 25:2 This adds discretion and wisdom to our life and the apostolic teaching.” .” – Yoneq, “Phase 2 – Lying” 11/29/1988





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Place a checkmark beside all items that characterize the group in question. If you check many of these items, and particularly if you check most of them, you might consider examining the group more closely.

The above check list comes from Dr. Michael Langone, editor of Cultic Studies Journal, and often characterize manipulative groups. Dr. Langone suggest prospective recruits and family members compare these statements to the group. If one or more of these apply to your group you may have a cause for concern. I say, if all apply as in the case of the Twelve Tribes, you should repent (turn 180 degrees) and run.

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